Sectional times BCD

[Hexham VIP]

Anyone else looking forward to what happens Saturday with this?

Hopefully the TV companys do it properly and have the clock in the corner a bit like the athletics and the info is readily available after for each horse. I dont think it will catch on but it has made Saturday more interesting for me.

[brigadier_gerard]

I wasn't overwhelmed I must say but a little is better than nothing. Hopefully it is a start.

[Hexham VIP]

I thought it would of been better advertised to be honesty. It was hard finding the results(even then they didnt bother with the last race) and ATR/BBC didnt make much effort. If it was available to every flat race i think people will take to it.

[Hexham VIP]

QIPCO British Champions Series | Sectional timing for the majority of Series races in 2012

Champion - cant wait for this, wonder if i can use this for my speed ratings to get an accurate rating for horses that dont win.

[The Duke]

Yes you can if you are compiling your own pace figures.

[Hexham VIP]

The thing i am struggling with is how i will go about it?

I will have a mess about and see if i can post something up.

[The Duke]

Depends what you are looking to do really. There was a calculation used in one of Beyer's books (think it was The Winning Horseplayer) which gives you a rough workabout way of devising your own pace figures.

I have yet to read the Modern Pace Handicapping book by Tom Brohamer, but assume that will be more thorough and probably a better way of doing things.

Just looking through my Meydan Pacefigure sheet now, and I've been creating them at 2F intervals, and your formula should look similar to this.

=SUM(FURLONG/(SECTIONALTIME))*10000

This will give you a three digit number, for example a 26.78 (2F) sectional would be 2/26.78 = 0.0746 x 10000 = 746.

For the next sectional (would be 4F) you'd do a slightly different formula, =SUM(FURLONG/4F SECTIONAL - 2F SECTIONAL))*1000 and so on.

I'm not entirely sure what this tells me, and I'm not entirely sure if it will tell you what to back next time, but it has thrown up a few winners for me in Dubai this winter, and it also gives you an idea as to how the race was run, and what run fastest at what time.

Hope this helps mate!

[The Duke]

Coming back to this been at a bit of a lose end today so decided to do some pace figures for the Sprint & Mile race at last years QIPCO Champions Day, and have come up with the following....

	Draw	0-2F	2-4F	4-6F	PF
Deacon Blues	14	777	899	814	2490
Wizz Kid	8	776	884	819	2480
Libranno	12	777	895	808	2480
Royal Rock	7	758	899	826	2483
Moonlight Cloud	9	760	910	805	2474
Night Carnation	13	763	902	806	2471
Prime Defender	11	778	896	786	2460
Genki	15	753	890	814	2456
Perfect Tribute	3	752	899	799	2450
Jimmy Styles	10	777	889	773	2439
Hooray	16	780	900	758	2439
Society Rock	2	776	870	779	2426
Medicean Man	6	757	888	778	2423
Ladies Are Forever	4	770	894	750	2414
Dafeef	5	755	896	764	2414
Silverside	1	776	885	743	2404

As you can see from the above, Hooray ran the fastest 0-2F sectional, but despite running quicker than most of the field from 2-4F, she was bettered by Midnight Cloud, and Royal Rock closed off the final 4-6F quicker than anything else in the race.

	Draw	0-2F	2-4F	4-6F	6-8F	PF
Frankel	2	722	816	887	810	3235
Excelebration	7	722	805	888	798	3212
Immortal Verse	6	710	811	890	786	3197
Dubawi Gold	3	725	807	875	783	3189
Dick Turpin	5	736	800	869	778	3182
Poets Voice	1	703	832	887	771	3192
Side Glance	8	719	801	882	782	3184
Bullet Train	4	750	833	835	745	3162

As you can see from above early pace-setter Bullet Train clocked the fastest opening 2F sectional, and narrowly edged ahead of Poets Voice (by 1) in the second (2-4F) sectional. Poets Voice was very slow away and made up plenty of ground to run that quicky, and was just 3pts off (and level with Frankel) than a more conservatively ridden Immortal Voice who topped the numbers from (4-6F). After his early exertions Poets Voice then clocked a fairly poor final 2F (bettered only by pacemaker Bullet Train), and according to my pace figures he would have finished fourth with a more conservative ride such as Immortal Verse got.

The last two furlongs Frankel blitzed them, and ran 23pts clear of the field at the line to record an impressive success.

Not sure what this tells me but thought I'd throw it up there and see if anyone else would like to comment on the method/idea.

[Hexham VIP]

The way I would look at the data would be to see how the race was run. In America they can see a pattern in a horses past performances (this is easier to compare also since most courses are identical) due to the amount of data they have and historical of courses and the horse itself,

This means we have to look at the race for what it is. To the eye you can think a race has started really fast or turned into a jog and sprint but with data like this you can see for certain as the times will not lie.

Thoughts anyone?

[Hexham VIP]

Found this on the net thats worth reading,

Simon Rowlands' Betting Masterclass: All you need to know about sectional timings : Simon Rowlands : Horse Racing

this as well

The Figures Never Lie: Pace: the final frontier

[jon a]

Originally Posted by Hexham VIP

Found this on the net thats worth reading, Simon Rowlands' Betting Masterclass: All you need to know about sectional timings : Simon Rowlands : Horse Racing this as well The Figures Never Lie: Pace: the final frontier

Agree with you on this Hex i think all that pace figures tend to establish is frontrunner,prominant and held up type of horse.I used to subscribe to a site which all these figures were readily available in a table,but as a conversation with spook its what to actually do with them


Kempton Park 19:00 1mHorse Draw PaceFig
Let Your Love Flow (IRE) 1 2.03 (2.5 )
Saucy Cat (IRE) 2 1.8 (1.8 )
Mr Red Clubs (IRE) 3 3.4 (1.4 )
Bapak Pintar 4 2.27 (3.2 )
Haafhd Handsome 5 2.03 (1.9 )
Biba Diva (IRE) 6 2.07 (1.4 )
Race Average 2.27


Huntingdon 15:00 2m 5f 110yHorse Draw PaceFig
Sainglend 1.8 (1.4 )
Knight Legend (IRE) 2.27 (1 )
Grand Vision (IRE) 2 (1.4 )
Black Phantom (IRE) 0.6 (0 )
Tribal Dance (IRE) 4.8 (0 )
Dusky Bob (IRE) 1.4 (3.2 )
Domos Boy (IRE) 1.2 (? )
No No Bingo (IRE) 1.9 (0 )
Gilded Age 2.47 (3.2 )
Wiesentraum (GER) 1.27 (0 )
Balustrade (IRE) 1.4 (0 )
Race Average 1.92

tribal dance a massive lead figure

The figures can be useful for lay bets imo for instance in a 6 horse race at southwell if you 5 frontrunners/prominant and the fav was hold up ,you would oppose